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transcript: second 2012 presidential debate, part 2

by:Newland     2019-09-14
Romney: I just want to point out that I don\'t think the bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone if they can use the pill.
I don\'t think employers should tell someone if they can take contraceptive care.
Every woman in the United States should be given birth control pills. And --and the --
The president\'s statement of my policy is completely wrong.
Moscow protests against Obama: David Ortiz, President Trump\'s derogatory Twitter for climate change documentary in the governor\'s popular news center, was released from hospital. . .
Romney: Let me come back--
Answer your question.
President Bush and I-
It\'s different people, it\'s different times, and that\'s why my five point plan is so different from what he would do.
For example, I mean, we can now, with the new technology, not go--
Arab, Venezuelan or others.
It wasn\'t true in his time, that\'s why my policy started with a very strong policy and got all the energy in North America-
Ensure energy security.
Second, trade-
President Bush did not. I will fight China.
I will also greatly expand trade in Latin America.
For a long time, it grew by about 12% a year.
I want to add more free trade agreements so that we can have more trade.
Third, I will balance our budget.
No, President Bush.
President Obama is right. He said the deficit was as high as half a trillion dollars during the Bush administration, which is outrageous.
He is right, but he has twice the deficit every year in his four years.
His forecast for the next four years is more deficit, almost so big.
So this is the next area where I am different from President Bush.
Finally, let\'s support small businesses.
Our party has been paying attention too long.
I came through a small business.
I know how hard it is to start a business.
That\'s why everything I do is to help small businesses grow and increase jobs.
At 21:47:35, I want to reduce the tax on small businesses.
I want regulators to see their work as encouraging small businesses rather than hitting them.
The most disturbing thing I find Obama cares about is that it\'s a long list, but what I find most disturbing is that when you go out and talk to small businesses, ask them what they think about it and they will tell you that it makes it impossible for them to hire more people.
My first priority is work.
I know how to do this.
President Bush has a very different path in a very different period.
My path is to grow small businesses and hire people.
Thank you, Governor. Mr. President?
Obama: First of all, I think it\'s important to tell you that we did come in some difficult times.
When I started working, we lost 800,000 jobs a month.
But we have been trying to get rid of policies that put the wrong place and focus on the middle class that is doing very well at the top and not doing well.
Now, we have seen 30 in a row. -
Job growth for 31 consecutive months; 5.
2 million new jobs have been created.
The plan I \'ve talked about will create more Obama: I said, we\'re going to do health care reform to make sure that insurance companies can\'t be rough with you, and if you don\'t have health insurance, you get the chance to get affordable insurance, I have.
I promise that I will control the excesses of Wall Street, and we have passed the toughest Wall Street reforms since 1930.
We have created 5 million jobs, 800 jobs lost in a month, and we are making progress.
We have saved a car industry that is on the verge of collapse.
So, are you struggling? Absolutely not.
Many of us are.
That\'s why my plan for manufacturing and education, with the savings to end the war, to reduce our deficit in a sensible way, to rebuild America and get people back to work.
Make sure we control our energy, not just today\'s, but the future.
All of these things will be different, so the point is the commitment that I have made and I have followed.
Those I have not been able to hold on to, it is not because of the lack of attempts, we will finish the work in the second semester.
But you should keep an eye on this campaign, because Governor Romney has made some promises as well.
I suspect he will keep it.
You know, when a Republican congressman says, \"we\'re going to sign a non-tax commitment so that we don\'t ask for a penny to reduce our deficit for the sake of millionaires and billionaires, so we can still invest in education and help our children go to college.
He said, \"so do I.
When they say, \"We will cut back on family planning . \"
\"So do I,\" he said . \"
When he said, \"we\'re going to abolish Obamacare.
The first thing I\'m going to do is, \"even though it\'s the same health care plan he\'s passed in Massachusetts and it\'s working fine.
He said, \"so do I.
\"It\'s not the kind of leadership you need, but you should expect him to keep those promises. (CROSSTALK)CROWLEY: Mr.
Let me say, President. . . (CROSSTALK)OBAMA: . . .
Whose commitment will this election choose be more likely to help you in your life?
Make sure your child can go to college.
Make sure you get a well paid job and make sure you have both medical and social insurance. . . (CROSSTALK)
CROWLEY: Mr. President. Thank you. (CROSSTALK)OBAMA: . . .
Will be by your side
Crawley: Thank you. Governor?
I think you know better.
I think you know that the past four years are not as good as the president just described, and you don\'t think the next four years are much better.
I can tell you that you know what you will get if you are elected President Obama.
You will repeat the past four years.
Like the last four years, we can\'t afford four more years.
\'Till now, our unemployment rate is 5, \'he said. 4 percent.
Where is it and the difference between 5.
4% are 9 million Americans who do not have jobs.
I\'m not the one who said 5. 4 percent.
This is the president\'s plan.
Not there.
So far, he said, he has put forward a plan to reform health insurance and social security because he pointed out that they are moving towards bankruptcy.
He will reform them.
He will do it.
He did not even make suggestions on these two issues.
In his first year, he proposed an immigration program to meet our immigration challenges.
Not even filed.
This is something that a president said he would not do.
He said he would cut the deficit by half.
Neither did he.
In fact, he doubled.
He said so far.
Health insurance premiums for income families will be reduced by $2,500 a year.
It has risen by $2,500 a year.
If the Obamacare bill is passed or implemented-
Has passed--
If fully implemented, it would be another $2,500.
But when Governor Romney says he has a very different economic plan, the core of his economic plan is tax cuts.
That is why we are running from surplus to deficit.
When he talks about being tough on China, remember that Governor Romney has invested in companies that are pioneers in outsourcing to China and are currently investing in some countries-
In companies that make surveillance equipment for China, they monitor their people. That\'s --
Governor, you are the last one to be tough on China.
What we do in terms of trade is more than just signing three trade agreements to open up new markets, but we have also set up a trade Task Force, specifically for those who use American workers or businesses without creating a level playing field.
We have filed twice as many lawsuits against unfair trading as the previous government, and we have won every case that has been decided.
Governor Romney said that when I said we had to make sure that China would not flood our domestic market with cheap tires, I was a protector;
This did not help American workers.
In fact, we have 1,000 jobs saved.
This is the tough trade action that needs to be taken.
But the last thing I want to say is
You know, there are some differences between Governor Romney and George Bush.
George Bush has not offered to turn health insurance into a voucher.
President Bush supports comprehensive immigration reform.
He\'s not asking himself. deportation.
George Bush never suggested that we cancel funding for family planning, so there is a disagreement between Governor Romney and George Bush,
In some ways, when it comes to social policy, he goes to a more extreme place.
I think this is a mistake.
This is not the way we promote economic development.
Crawley: I want to move both of you to the next question because it\'s in the same cab so you can answer.
But the president does know that.
I want to visit Michael Jones. QUESTION: Mr.
President, I voted for you on 2008.
What did you do or finish in 2012 to win my vote?
I am not as optimistic as I was in 2012.
Most of the things I need in my daily life are expensive.
We have had four difficult years.
There is no doubt about this.
But four years ago, I told the American people that I told you that I would cut taxes for middle-class families. And I did.
I told you I would cut taxes for small businesses and I did.
I said I was going to end the war in Iraq. I did.
I said, we will focus our attention on those who actually hit us at 9/11, and we have pursued al-Qaida leaders as before, and bin Laden is dead.
Obama: I said, we\'re going to go through health care reform and make sure that insurance companies can\'t bully you without health insurance, you have the opportunity to get affordable insurance, I have.
I promise that I will control the excesses of Wall Street, and we have passed the toughest Wall Street reforms since 1930.
We have created 5 million jobs, 800 jobs lost in a month, and we are making progress.
We have saved a car industry that is on the verge of collapse.
So, are you struggling? Absolutely not.
Many of us are.
That\'s why my plan for manufacturing and education, with the savings to end the war, to reduce our deficit in a sensible way, to rebuild America and get people back to work.
Make sure we control our energy, not just today\'s, but the future.
All of these things will be different, so the point is the commitment that I have made and I have followed.
Those I have not been able to hold on to, it is not because of the lack of attempts, we will finish the work in the second semester.
But at 21:53:00, you should focus on the campaign, because Governor Romney has made some promises.
I suspect he will keep it.
You know, when a Republican congressman says, \"we\'re going to sign a non-tax commitment so that we don\'t ask for a penny to reduce our deficit for the sake of millionaires and billionaires, so we can still invest in education and help our children go to college.
He said, \"so do I.
When they say, \"We will cut back on family planning . \"
\"So do I,\" he said . \"
When he said, \"we\'re going to abolish Obamacare.
The first thing I\'m going to do is, \"even though it\'s the same health care plan he\'s passed in Massachusetts and it\'s working fine.
He said, \"so do I.
\"It\'s not the kind of leadership you need, but you should expect him to keep those promises. (CROSSTALK)CROWLEY: Mr.
Let me say, President. . . (CROSSTALK)OBAMA: . . .
Whose commitment will this election choose be more likely to help you in your life?
Make sure your child can go to college.
Make sure you get a well paid job and make sure you have both medical and social insurance. . . (CROSSTALK)CROWLEY: Mr. President. Thank you. (CROSSTALK)OBAMA: . . .
Will be by your side
Crawley: Thank you. Governor?
I think you know better.
I think you know that the past four years are not as good as the president just described, and you don\'t think the next four years are much better.
I can tell you that you know what you will get if you are elected President Obama.
You will repeat the past four years.
Like the last four years, we can\'t afford four more years.
\'Till now, our unemployment rate is 5, \'he said. 4 percent.
Where is it and the difference between 5.
4% are 9 million Americans who do not have jobs.
I\'m not the one who said 5. 4 percent.
This is the president\'s plan.
Not there.
So far, he said, he has put forward a plan to reform health insurance and social security because he pointed out that they are moving towards bankruptcy.
He will reform them.
He will do it.
He did not even make suggestions on these two issues.
In his first year, he proposed an immigration program to meet our immigration challenges.
Not even filed.
This is something that a president said he would not do.
He said he would cut the deficit by half.
Neither did he.
In fact, he doubled.
He said so far.
Health insurance premiums for income families will be reduced by $2,500 a year.
It has risen by $2,500 a year.
If the Obamacare bill is passed or implemented-
Has passed--
If fully implemented, it would be another $2,500.
Romney: Under the policies of a president, the middle class is being crushed, and he doesn\'t understand what it takes to get the economy back to work.
He kept saying, \"Look, I have created 5 million jobs.
\"It was after losing 5 million jobs.
The whole record shows that the unemployment rate in this country has not declined.
There are still 23 million Americans who are still looking for jobs.
There are more poor people, and there are one out of six poor people.
How about food vouchers?
32 million people were buying food stamps when he took office.
Today, 47 million people are buying food coupons.
How about economic growth?
This year\'s growth is slower than last year and slower than last year.
The president wants to do things right. I understand.
But his policies from Obamacare to Dodd
To be frank, these policies, together with his tax policies and his regulatory policies, have not allowed the economy to take off and grow as much as possible.
You might say, \"Well, do you have an example that works better?
\"Yes, the unemployment rate reached 10 during the Reagan recession.
8%, during this period--
At the end of the recession, the equivalent of today\'s time, Ronald Reagan\'s recovery has created twice as many jobs as the president\'s.
5 million jobs can\'t even keep up with the growth of our population.
The only reason the unemployment rate seems to be a bit low today is because of all those who are out of the labor market.
The president tried it, but his policy did not work.
He\'s a great man. -as a --
Describe his plan and vision as a speaker.
That\'s great, except we have to look at the record.
This record shows that he is unable to cut the deficit, to implement reforms for health insurance and social security to protect the deficit, and to give us the growing income we need.
The median household income fell by $4,300, while the number of unemployed Americans fell by 23 million.
That\'s what this election is all about.
It\'s about who can make the middle class in this country have a bright and prosperous future and assure our children of the hope and optimism they deserve.
Crawley: I want to take you away, governor. Don\'t --
Don\'t leave. We have enough time to respond.
We know the clocks of both of you very well.
But I want to introduce a different theme here. Mr.
Mr. President, I will be back soon.
Lorraine Osorio has a question for you about topics we don\'t have. . .
Is this for Governor Romney?
Crawley: this is Governor Romney. We will be with you. President. Thanks.
Is it Loraina?
Question: Lorraine
Romney: Lorraine?
QUESTION: Yes, Lorraine.
Romney: Lorraine.
Question: How are you?
Okay, thank you. QUESTION: Mr.
Romney, what are you planning to do with immigrants who don\'t have green cards who are currently living here as productive members of society?
ROMNEY: Thank you. Lorraine?
Am I right? Good.
Thank you for your question.
At 21:58:28 let me step back and tell you what I want to do with our immigration policy and answer your questions.
But first, it\'s an immigrant country.
We welcome to this country as immigrants.
My father was born in Mexico and my parents are American.
Ann\'s father was born in Wales and was the first
Generation of Americans
We welcome legal immigrants to this country.
I hope our legal system will work better.
I want to streamline it.
I want to make it clear.
I don\'t think you need--
Lawyers should not be hired to figure out how to legally enter the country.
I also think we should give people visas. -
Instead, give green cards to graduates who have the skills we need.
People from all over the world who have obtained science and mathematics certified degrees have received a green card attached to the diploma and come to the United StatesS. of A.
We should ensure that our legal system is effective.
Second, we must stop illegal immigration.
There are 4 million people waiting in line to get here legally.
Those who came here illegally took their place.
So I will not pardon those who have come here illegally.
What I have to do is set up an employment verification system to ensure that employers who hire people who have come here illegally are sanctioned for doing so.
I will not place magnets for people who come here illegally.
For example, I will not give driver\'s licenses to people who come here illegally, as the president did.
Those children who come here illegally, I think, should have a way to become permanent residents and military service in the United States, for example, as a way for them to become permanent residents.
ROMNEY: Now, when he ran for president, he said he had a piece of legislation in his first year ---
He will come up with a bill to reform US in the first year. -
Our immigration system protects legal immigrants and prevents illegal immigrants.
He did not.
He has an absolute majority in both houses.
Why didn\'t he even push the legislation to provide answers for those who want to come legally and those who are here illegally today?
What do I think is the problem? -
The president has a chance to answer now.
Good. I look forward to it.
Was --Lorranna --Lorraine --
We are an immigrant country.
We are only a few miles from Ellis Island.
We all know what this country is like, because people from all over the world want to come here.
People are willing to take risks.
Those who want to build on their dreams and make sure their children have bigger dreams than they do.
But we are also a country with laws.
So what I\'m going to say is that we need to fix a broken immigration system, and I \'ve done everything I can and sought congressional cooperation to make sure we fix it.
The first thing we do is to simplify the legal immigration system, reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler, cheaper for people in line, comply with the law and make sure they can come here, contributing to our country is good for our economic growth.
They will start a new business.
They will create jobs in the United States.
Second, we have to deal with our border issues, so we are--
At any time in history, the flow of undocumented works across the border is actually below the level of 40 years.
I also said that if we are going to hunt down people who are illegal here, we should be smart enough to hunt down criminals, gang members, people who hurt the community, not students, it\'s not because people want to know how to feed their families, it\'s here.
That\'s what we do.
I also said that for young people who are often brought here by their parents.
I go to school here and pledge allegiance to the flag.
Think of this as their country.
In addition to the paper, I understand myself as an American in all aspects.
We should make sure that we give them a path to citizenship.
This is what I do in administration.
Governor Romney just said he also wanted to help these young people, but during the Republican primary, he said, \"I will veto the DREAM Act,\" which will enable these young people to reach out.
His main strategy during the Republican primary is to say, \"We will encourage ourselves. deportation.
\"It makes people\'s lives so miserable that they will leave.
He called Arizona law a model for the United States.
Part of Arizona law says law enforcement can stop people because they suspect they may look like undocumented workers and check their documents.
You know what?
If my daughter or your daughter doesn\'t look like a citizen, I don\'t want--
I don\'t want to authorize such a person.
So we can fix the system in a comprehensive way.
When Governor Romney said the challenge was, \"Obama did not try.
\"That\'s not true.
At the beginning of my term, I had sat down with Democrats and Republicans.
Let\'s fix the system, I said.
Including former Republican senators.
But if the Republican flag bearer says it\'s not a support that I\'m interested in, then it\'s hard for Congress to support full immigration reform.
Mr. Crawley, let me bring the governor in. President.
Let\'s talk if we can. . . ROMNEY: Yes. CROWLEY: . . .
The idea of selfdeportation?
Romney: No, let--let --
Let me go back and talk about the president\'s point,-and --
Let\'s correct them.
In this regard, I do not say that Arizona law is a model of the country.
I said that E-
Verify part of the Arizona law, this is--
This is part of the law that provides for employers to determine whether someone is illegal here or not, and this is a model of the state.
This is the first.
Second, I asked the president a question that I think has been asked by Hispanics and immigrants from all over the country.
He was asked the other day at Univision.
Why, when you say that you submitted the legislation in your first year, did you not do that?
He did not answer. He --
He did not answer the question.
He said it was not for this.
I\'m glad you thought I was the flag four years ago, but I\'m not.
Four years ago, you said you wanted legislation in the first year.
In his first year, I just-
I was wounded by John McCain.
I\'m not a flag bearer. My --
My point is that the president should live up to what he said.
Now, let me say one more thing, the self.
Deportation says people make their own choices.
What I want to say is that we will not bring together 12 million people, undocumented illegal immigrants and take them out of the country.
Instead, let people make their own choices. And if they --
If they find out-
They can\'t get the benefits they want here, they can\'t--
They can\'t find the job they want and then they will decide to go somewhere ---
They have a better chance.
But I don\'t agree with the arrest--and --
Take them out of this country.
As the president said, I agree, and I agree with him that if people commit crimes, we must let them leave the country.
Romney: Let me mention something else the president said.
Just now, when he described Chinese investment and so on, I didn\'t have a chance. OBAMA: Candy?
Wait a minute. The. . . ROMNEY: Mr.
President, I\'m still talking. (CROSSTALK)ROMNEY: Mr.
Let me finish. (CROSSTALK)
Romney: I will continue. (CROSSTALK)
Crawley: Governor Romney, you can shorten it.
Have you seen these people?
They have been waiting for you. (inaudible)make it short (inaudible).
Romney: I want to say a little bit.
Any of my investments over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust fund.
As far as I know, they do include investments outside the United States, including-
Company in ChinaMr.
President, have you seen your pension?
Have you seen your pension?
What I\'m saying is. . . ROMNEY: Mr.
President, have you seen your pension?
You know, I-
I don\'t look at my pension.
It\'s not as big as yours, so it doesn\'t take that long.
Well, let me give you some advice.
Obama: I don\'t check often.
Romney: Let me give you some advice.
Look at your pension.
You also have investments in Chinese companies.
You also have investments outside the United States.
You can also invest through the Cayman Trust. (CROSSTALK)
Crawley: Governor Romney, we\'re far from the topic. (CROSSTALK)
I thought we were talking about immigration. (CROSSTALK)
Obama: I do want to confirm. . .
Crawley: Governor Romney, if I can get you to sit down. Thank you.
Obama: I do want to make sure--
I want to make sure we understand something.
Governor Romney said he did not call Arizona a model for the United States.
His top advisor on immigration was the one who designed Arizona law; not E-
Check the whole thing.
This is his policy.
This is a bad policy.
It will not help us grow.
You see, when we think about immigration, we have to understand that there are still people around the world who see America as a land of hope.
They provide us with energy and innovation, and they create companies like Intel and Google.
We want to encourage this.
Now we have to make sure that we do it in a wise and comprehensive way, and that we make the legal system better.
But when we turn this issue into a divisive political issue, when we do not have the support of both parties,-
Governor, I can get a group of Democrats to complete the full immigration reform, but we can\'t. . .
Romney: I will do it.
I will get it done. First year. . . OBAMA: . . . we can\'t --
We don\'t see Republicans taking this issue seriously at all.
It\'s time for them to take this matter seriously. CROWLEY: Mr.
President, please let me move you here. Mr. President, (inaudible).
Obama: It was a bipartisan issue. (CROSSTALK)
But Crowley: Don\'t go--right.
Don\'t because of me--
I want you to talk to Kerry Radka and he wants to move the topic for us. OBAMA: OK.
Hi, Kerry.
QUESTION: Good evening, sir. President.
Obama: Sorry.
What\'s your name?
Q: It\'s Kerry, Kerry Radka.
Nice to meet you.
Question: This question actually comes from the brain trust of my friend at a global telecom provider (ph)
Yesterday at minnicola. OBAMA: Ah.
Question: We are sitting together talking about Libya and we are reading and realizing reports that the State Department has refused to provide additional security for our embassy in Benghazi, Libya, before the attack killed four Americans.
Who is denying security? Why?
Obama: Let me first talk about our diplomats because they serve the world and do incredible work in very dangerous situations.
They are not just the representative of the United States, they are my representative.
I send them there at 22:09:03 and often get hurt.
I know these people and their families.
So no one cares more about their safety than I do.
So, when we found out that the consulate in Benghazi was occupied, I spoke to my national security team and I gave them three instructions.
First, strengthen our security and procedures not only in Libya, but also in every embassy and consulate in the region.
Second, everything is really going to investigate what happened to ensure that people are held accountable and that this will not happen again.
Third, we\'re going to find out who did it. We\'re going to find them out because one of the things I \'ve said throughout the presidency is that when people conflict with Americans, we will chase them.
OBAMA: Governor Romney has a very different response now.
While we were still dealing with threats to our diplomats, Governor Romney issued a press release to try to make a political point that the chief commander did not operate that way.
You can\'t turn national security into a political issue.
It must be wrong when it happens. And people --
Not everyone agrees with some of my decisions.
But when it comes to our national security, it\'s true.
I said I\'m going to end the war in Libya. -in --
I did it in Iraq.
I said we \'d go to Al.
We have Al Qaeda and bin Laden.
I said that we will make the transition from Afghanistan and start to make sure that Afghans are responsible for their own security and that is what I am doing.
On this issue, everyone is held accountable when I say that we are going to figure out exactly what is going on.
I am ultimately responsible for what is going on there because these are my family and I have to meet these coffins when they come home.
You know what I\'m saying is true. CROWLEY: Mr.
President, I want us to move on. Governor?
ROMNEY: Thank you for your question. This is an important one. And --and I --
I think the president was right. Buck did stop at his desk. -
He\'s going--for that --
For the failure to provide these security resources, and--
These terrible things are likely to happen from time to time. I --I\'m --
I feel very sympathetic to the families who have lost their loved ones.
There is a memorial ceremony today for those who lost their lives in this tragedy. We --
We think for their families, and we care deeply about them.
There are other issues related to this. -
This tragedy.
Many days have passed before we know whether it was a spontaneous demonstration or actually a terrorist attack.
Romney: No demonstrations.
It was a terrorist attack and it took a long time to tell the American people.
Is it misleading, or we just don\'t know what\'s going on, you have to ask yourself, why five days later, we don\'t know when the ambassador to the United Nations said on television that it was a demonstration.
How can we not know?
But what I find even more disturbing than this is that-
On the second day of the assassination of the American ambassador, this was the first time such a thing had happened since 1979, when--
When we had four Americans killed there, obviously we didn\'t know what was going on, and the president flew to Las Vegas the next day after that to seek a political fund --
Go to Colorado the next day for another event, other political events.
I think these --
The actions taken by the president and the leaders are symbolic, and may even be material, because you hope that during that time we can bring together people who are actually witnesses.
We have now read their account of what happened.
This is obviously not a demonstration.
This is a terrorist attack.
This raises questions about the president\'s entire policy in the Middle East.
Look at Syria, Egypt, what\'s happening in Libya now.
Think about the distance between us. -
The Israeli president said--
He wants to keep the sun between US and Israel.
Iran is nearly four years away from the nuclear bomb. Syria --
Syria is not only a tragedy in which 30,000 civilians have been killed by the army, but also a strategy ---
A player of strategic significance to the United States.
The president\'s policy throughout the Middle East begins with an apology trip. -and --
Looking for a leading strategy from behind, this strategy is falling apart before our eyes.
Because we--
We\'re closing. I want a lot of people to come in.
One thing I want to ask you, sir.
The president, then let the governor come soon.
I am sure you know that your secretary of state has said that she is fully responsible for the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi.
In terms of what is happening here, will responsibility stop with your secretary of state?
Secretary Clinton did a great job.
But she works for me.
I am the president and I am always responsible and that is why no one is more interested than me in knowing what is going on.
The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we would find out what was going on.
It is a terrorist act, and I also say that we are going to hunt down those who have committed such crimes.
A few days later, I was there to greet the coffin that entered Andrews Air Force Base and grieve with my family.
Anyone on my team, secretary of state, or our secretary of stateN.
Ambassador, when we lose four of our own governors, anyone on my team will play politics or mislead us.
That\'s not what we do.
This is not what I did as president, nor what I did as commander-in-chief.
22:15:16 Crawley: Governor, if you like. . . Romney: Yes, I am. -I. . . CROWLEY: . . .
Please hurry up here. ROMNEY: I --
I think what the president said was interesting. -
The day after the attack, he walked into the Rose Garden and said it was a terrorist act.
That\'s what I said.
Romney: The day after the attack, you said in the Rose Garden, it was a terrorist act.
It\'s not spontaneous. Is that what you said?
Obama: Ask the Governor to continue.
Romney: I want to make sure we put this on the record because it took the president 14 days to call the Benghazi attack a terrorist act.
Obama: Get the report card. CROWLEY: It --it --it --
In fact, sir, that\'s what he did. So let me --
Let me call it a terrorist act. . .
Can you say it a little louder, Candy? CROWLEY: He --
He did call it a terrorist act.
It also took--
For the whole idea, it will take about two weeks as well, as the advent of this tape has caused riots.
You\'re right. ROMNEY: This --
Government--
The government said it was a spontaneous response to the video.
Crawley: Yes.
Romney: It took them a long time to say it was a terrorist act by a terrorist group.
And suggest--
In this regard, am I not correct on Sunday? -
Your secretary. -OBAMA: Candy?
Romney: Excuse me.
The UN ambassador took part in Sunday\'s television show and talked about how--
Obama: Candy, I--ROMNEY: --
This is spontaneous. -CROWLEY: Mr.
President, let me-
Obama: I\'m glad to have more conversations. -
I know you--OBAMA: --
Foreign policy
Absolutely. But I want to --
I want you to move on. -
OBAMA: OK.
I\'m glad to do the same. CROWLEY: --
Transcripts and--
Obama: I just want to make sure--CROWLEY: --
Figure us out--OBAMA: --
All these wonderful people will have the opportunity to answer some of their questions.
Because I--
What I want to do, sir.
Mr. President, stand there for a second because I want to introduce you to Nina Gonzalez, who raised a question that we heard on the Internet and in the crowd.
Q: President Obama, at the Democratic National Convention on 2008, you said you wanted to keep AK-
Escape 47 seconds from the criminal.
What did your government do or plan to limit the supply of offensive weapons?
Obama: We are a country that believes in the Second Amendment. I believe in the Second Amendment.
We have a long tradition of hunting, athletes and people who want to make sure they can protect themselves.
But there were so many examples during my presidency that I had to comfort the families who lost their loved ones.
Most recently in Aurora.
You know, just a few weeks ago, actually, about a month or so, I saw a mother at her son\'s bedside, the person who was shot at that theater.
Her son was shot in the head.
We took some time and we prayed that after about two months this young man and his mom showed up and he looked incredible and as good as the new one.
But there are a lot of families that don\'t have that good luck and their son, daughter or husband doesn\'t survive either.
So my belief is,A)
We have to enforce the laws that we already have and make sure we don\'t give guns to criminals, those who are mentally ill.
We are doing better on background checks, but we have more to do on law enforcement.
But I also believe as much as you do that weapons designed for soldiers in war zones do not belong to our streets.
So what I want to do is have a broader dialogue on how we can reduce violence.
Part of the reason is to see if we can re-launch the assault weapons ban.
But there are also some other sources of violence.
Because, frankly, there was a lot of violence in my hometown of Chicago and they didn\'t use AK-47s.
They use cheap pistols.
So what can we do to make sure young people have a chance to intervene;
Our school is in operation;
If there is violence on the street, working with faith groups and law enforcement, we can catch it before it gets out of control.
So what I want is-
It is a comprehensive strategy.
Part of the reason is to see if we can get automatic weapons from criminals and mentally ill people, killing an amazing number of people.
But part of it is also going deep to see if we can get into these communities and make sure to catch them before violent impulses happen.
Crawley: Governor Romney, the question is about offensive weapons, AK-47s.
Romney: Yes, I don\'t agree--
Take or make certain guns illegal. We have(AUDIO GAP)
OBAMA: Because I believe that if our young people have a chance, they are unlikely to be involved in such violence.
We will not destroy all the people whose spirits are disturbed, and we must make sure that they do not have weapons.
But we can make a difference in ensuring that every young person in the United States, no matter where they come from, what they look like, has a chance to succeed.
And, Candy, we didn\'t have a chance to talk about education, but I think it\'s very important to understand the reforms that we have implemented, working with 46 governors across the country, seeing that some schools are the hardest schools for children to start to succeed.
We began to see progress in mathematics and science.
Speaking of community colleges, we are building programs that include re-training workers, including young people who may have dropped out of school but now have a chance, along with Nassau community colleges, train them for the work that exists now.
In fact, employers are looking for skilled workers.
So we matched them up.
Give them higher education.
As I said, we have made sure that millions of young people are able to receive education that they have not been able to receive before. Now. . . CROWLEY: Mr.
President, I must. -
I have to move you here.
You said what you wanted. . . (CROSSTALK)
We need to do it here. OBAMA: But --but it\'ll --it\'ll --it\'ll be. . . (CROSSTALK)OBAMA: . . .
Just a second. CROWLEY: One. . . OBAMA: Because-
Because it\'s important.
This is part of the election.
When Governor Romney was asked if it was important for us to hire more teachers for our economic growth, Governor Romney said it did not boost our economic growth. When --
When he was asked about class size. . . (CROSSTALK)
Mr. Crawley, the problem is
There are guns here, President, so I need to keep us going.
I see.
You know, the problem is the gun. So let me --
Let me bring another one. . .
Obama: But it will have an impact on whether we can drive the economic development of these young people. . .
I see. OBAMA: . . .
Reduce our violence. CROWLEY: OK.
Thank you very much.
I would like to ask Carol Goldberg to stand up because she got an issue that both men are keen on.
For Governor Romney.
Q: Overseas employment outsourcing in the United States has had an impact on our economy.
What are your plans to keep work in the United States?
ROMNEY: Well, that\'s a good question, kid. It\'s important because you\'re right.
The place where we see manufacturing development is China.
China is now the largest manufacturer in the world.
It used to be the United States of America.
Many good people are out of work.
Over the past four years, manufacturing jobs have fallen by half.
This has been complete in the last four years.
One of the reasons is that people think that going overseas is more attractive in some cases than staying here.
We have made it less attractive for businesses to stay here than offshore from time to time.
What I have to do as president is to make sure that coming to the United States again is more attractive.
This is how we create jobs in this country.
Not trickle-
The government says we will get more money from people, hire more government staff, raise taxes and make more regulations. Trickle-
The government has never worked here and has never worked anywhere.
I want to make America the most attractive place in the world for entrepreneurs, small businesses, big businesses, investing and developing in the United States.
Now, when we trade with other countries, we have to make sure they follow the rules.
No China.
One of the reasons--
Or one way they don\'t follow the rules is to artificially lower the value of the currency.
Because if they lower their currency, it means that the price of their goods is very low.
This gives them an advantage in the market. We lose sales.
And American manufacturers. S.
It is impossible to compete to make the same product.
China has been a currency manipulator for many years.
The president often had the opportunity to label them currency-manipulator countries, but refused to do so.
On the first day, I will list China as a currency manipulator, which will enable me as president to be in place when necessary, and I think they are taking advantage of the unfair advantages of our manufacturers.
So we will make sure that we follow the rules with our traders around the world. But let me --
Let me not just stay there.
Don\'t forget that the key to bringing back work here is not just to find someone else to punish, I will be strict with the people we trade to make sure they--
They follow the law and the rules, but it\'s also about making America the most attractive place for businesses in the world.
That\'s why I want to lower the tax rate for small employers, big employers, so they want to be here.
Canada\'s tax rate on companies is now 15%.
We are 35%.
If you are starting a business, where do you want to start?
If we are to create more jobs here, we must be competitive.
Regulations have quadrupled.
Under the leadership of the President, the rate of regulation has quadrupled.
I talked to small businesses across the country.
They said, \"We feel like we have been attacked by the government.
\"I want to make sure that regulators think their job is to encourage small businesses, not to fight them.
There is no doubt that Obamacare is an extraordinary deterrent to companies with various recruiters.
My top priority is to make sure we hire more people.
If we hire more people, if we go back to manufacturing jobs, if we bring all kinds of jobs back to the country, then you will see revenue growth again.
The reason for the decline in income is because the unemployment rate is too high.
I know what it takes to do this, and my plan will do that, and part of it is to make sure we let China follow the rules. CROWLEY: Mr.
Mr. President, we\'ll discuss the last issue in two minutes. OBAMA: OK.
We need to create jobs here.
As a matter of fact, Governor Romney and I both agreed that we should reduce the corporate tax rate. It\'s too high.
But there is a difference in how we do it.
I would like to fill in some loopholes that allow companies to deduct fees when moving to China;
This allows them to make profits overseas without having to pay taxes, so they have a tax advantage overseas.
All these changes in our tax laws will be different.
Now Governor Romney actually wants to expand tax relief.
His big idea in corporate tax reform is that if you invest overseas and you make profits overseas, you don\'t have to pay to the USS. taxes.
But, of course, if you\'re a small business or momand-
Popular businesses or big businesses that start businesses here, you even have to pay what Governor Romney says to cut interest rates.
It is estimated that 800,000 new jobs will be created.
The problem is that they will be in China. Or India. Or Germany.
This is not the way we create jobs here.
The way we create jobs here is not just to change our tax laws, but to double our exports.
We are speeding up the doubling of exports, one of the commitments I made as president.
This has created thousands of jobs across the country.
That\'s why we \'ve been pushing for a trade deal, but making sure that American workers and American businesses get a trade deal with a good deal.
As I have already pointed out, Governor Romney talked about China.
In the private sector, Governor Romney\'s company invested in companies known as the pioneer of outsourcing.
That\'s not what I said.
That\'s what the reporter said.
As far as currency manipulation is concerned, the currency has actually risen by 11% since I became president, as we have vigorously pushed for currency manipulation.
We put unprecedented trade pressure on China.
That\'s why exports have increased significantly during my presidency.
This will help create jobs here. CROWLEY: Mr.
Mr. Chairman, we have a very short period of time here for a quick discussion.
IPad, Macs and iphone are all made in China.
One of the main reasons is that the labor here is much cheaper.
How do you convince a great American company to bring manufacturing back here?
Romney: The answer is simple.
As long as the competitive environment is fair, we can compete with anyone in the world.
China has been cheating all these years.
By holding down the value of their currency.
Second, stealing our intellectual property rights;
Our design, our patents, our technology.
There is even an Apple store in China that is a fake Apple store that sells fake goods.
They hacked into our computers.
We have to get people to play on a fair basis, which is the first.
Second, we must make America the most attractive place for entrepreneurs, for those who want to expand their business.
This is the reason for the employment opportunities.
President\'s description of my tax plan. . . (CROSSTALK)ROMNEY: . . . is completely. . . is completely. . . (CROSSTALK)ROMNEY: . . .
It\'s completely fake.
Let me tell you. . .
Crawley: let me go to the president because we don\'t have much time.
The problem is we can get--
We can\'t get that salary.
It cannot be maintained.
Obama: Some jobs won\'t come back, Candy.
Because their wages are low and their skills are low.
I want a job with high salary and high skill.
That is why we must emphasize manufacturing.
That\'s why we have to invest in advanced manufacturing.
That\'s why we have to make sure we have the best science and research in the world.
When we talk about the deficit, if we increase the tax reduction deficit for people who don\'t need it, we are cutting investments in research and science that will create the next Apple, creating the next new innovation that will sell products around the world, we will lose this game.
If we don\'t train engineers to make sure they have equipment in this country.
The company won\'t be here.
These investments will help ensure that we continue to lead the world economy, not only in the next year, but in 10 years and 50 years, from now on in 100.
Crawley: Thank you. President. (CROSSTALK)
Governor Romney?
Romney: The government does not create jobs.
The government does not create jobs.
Crawley: Governor Romney, I want to introduce you to Barry Green because he will ask you the last question first? ROMNEY: Barry? Where is Barry?
Q: Hello, governor.
I find it difficult to answer this question. To each of you.
What do you think is the biggest misconception of the American people about you as a man and candidate?
Can you take this opportunity, through concrete examples, to expose this misconception and let us wake up?
ROMNEY: Thank you, it\'s a chance for me, and I appreciate it.
In terms of the nature of the movement, some movements seem to focus on attacking a person, rather than setting out their own future and what they want to do.
In the process, I think the presidential campaign tried to describe me--
As a very different person from me.
I am concerned about 100% of Americans.
I hope that 100% of Americans will have a bright and prosperous future.
I care about our children.
I understand what it takes to create a bright and prosperous future for America.
I spent my life in the private sector, not in the government.
I am a person who wants to help me with experience, the American people. My --
My passion may come from believing in God.
I believe we are all children of the same God.
I believe we have a responsibility to take care of each other. I --
I am a missionary for my church.
I have been a priest in my congregation for about 10 years.
I sat opposite the table with the unemployed and worked with them to find new jobs or to help them through difficult times.
When they were in trouble, I went to the Olympics and tried to get them on track.
As governor of my state, I was able to insure 100% of my people, all the children, about 98% of adults.
I also made our school number one in the country, so 100% of our children will have a bright future.
I know I can get this country back on track.
We don\'t have to be content with what we are going through.
We don\'t have to buy gas for 4 yuan.
We do not have to solve the problem of unemployment at a long-term high level.
We don\'t have to meet 47 million people on food stamps.
We don\'t need to be satisfied with 50% of the children who can\'t work.
We don\'t have to be satisfied with 23 million people in order to find a good job.
If I were President, I would get America back to work.
I will balance our budget.
No president. I will.
I will make sure that we can reform the health insurance and social security system to protect their future ---
Descendants.
The president said he would. He didn\'t.
Crawley: Governor. . .
Romney: I will increase our income.
By the way, I did these things.
I served as governor and showed them that I could do these tasks. CROWLEY: Mr.
President, it\'s yours for the last two minutes.
Obama: Barry, I think a lot of the campaign has been working on this country over the last four years, and I think the government has created jobs, and that\'s the answer.
This is not what I believe.
I believe that the free enterprise system is the greatest engine of prosperity in the world.
I believe in myself-
The rewards are for dependency and individual initiative and risk takers.
But I also believe that everyone should have a fair chance. Everyone should do their part. Everyone should abide by the same rules because this is how our economy develops.
This is how we build the greatest middle class in the world. And --
This is a vital part of this election.
There is a very different vision of how we can advance our country.
I think Governor Romney is a good man.
Love his family and care about his faith.
But I also believe that when he said behind closed doors that 47% of the countries thought they were victims of refusing to take personal responsibility, think about who he was talking about.
Social security personnel who work all their lives.
Veterans who died for this country
Students who wish to realize their dreams are also the dreams of this country.
Soldiers who are fighting for us overseas now.
People who work hard every day, pay payroll taxes, gasoline taxes, but do not earn enough.
I want to fight for them.
This is what I have been doing for the last four years.
Because if they succeed, I believe the country will succeed.
When my grandfather was fighting in World War II, he came back and got a G. I.
Bill went to college with him. This is not charity.
This is the progress of the whole country.
I want to make sure the next generation has the same opportunity.
That\'s why I asked you to vote, and that\'s why I asked for another four years.
Crowley: President Obama, Governor Romney, thank you for being here tonight.
At this point, we ended this city hall debate.
We thank the participants for their time and the hospitality of the people at Hofstra University.
The next and final debate will be held in Lynn on Monday night. ph)
University of Boca Raton, Florida.
Don\'t forget to see.
Three weeks from today is election day.
Don\'t forget to vote. Good night.
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